Discord Mafia - sp31-chat

LilyBottom 🌺 05/07/2023 5:38 PM

Top day 1

Top of the morning guys

Wassup

18:01

Guys I’m drunk

Oh lily died

how tf did the host die

So that’s why she couldnt come over last night

That’s not how drunk works

I mean no wait

Dani<3

That’s not how drunk works

?

If ur drunk u don’t know ur drunk

why do i feel like i have the only reasonable daystart

Oh you’re talking about the game

Yea

LOL

nobody questioning lily dying

That’s how botc starts

18:03

The mod is the first to die

Dani

Thus starting the game

You have played this before?

I’ve played this game for 3 years

im srry ive never played this

Ok so

did lily have a role

I trust you

18:03

How do i play this thing?

Starry

did lily have a role

No

one sec

18:04

I have a plan

Hi kiri

So here’s my weekly mechanical lecture

and it involves virgin claiming

omg its coreygory

hi

Noooooo

Theres 10 townsfolk correct

9

i've thought about this for a while

9 townsfolk

Ok so there is 9

well 9, maybe 7

2 outsiders

18:04

3 minions

18:04

1 demon

wait so pretty much

if i understand how baron works

So Theres a 9/13 chance that if we force someone to claim immediately

is the alignment

Unless this minion exists

They can be proven fake

townsfolk + outsider vs minions/demon

That turns 2 townsfolk into outsiders

18:05

In which case

18:05

Only 7 townsfolk

baron nashor so campy

Yep

it's very hard to prove anything

18:05

in this setup

Baron adds 2 outsiders making it 4 outsiders

okay but

kirigiri

it's very hard to prove anything

Yep

outsider = town right

The drunk can count as a townsfolk in this case

So if 4 ppl claim outsiders we know it’s baron

Because they will only be a role that hasn’t been rolled

But idgi

but if virgin claims I have a way of getting some hard info maybe

Like a drunk thinks

it'll play, trust me

He is a specific townsfolk

18:06

Right?

kirigiri im. avirgin

yes

irl

Oh

that's cute

Same starry

ngekop has so much rizz tho thats a lie

You know what would be funny

but did lily say you were one

If I claimed right now

nge's saving it for his special someone don't mock it

okay but

kirigiri

nge's saving it for his special someone don't mock it

Not really idrc

i rlly want to claim rn but yall wouldnt believe me

I’ll claim I’m a top 4

I am the Ravenkeeper

What is that

A role

If ur ravenkeeper u don’t wanna claim

Oh

U want to be killed by demon

Well I never played before LMAO

So claiming means the demon just never kills u now

18:07

U want to bait the demon to kill u

Oh then i claim mayor

18:07

So demon has to

I haven’t been nightkilled before so I don’t think that was ever going to happen

Kill me

18:07

Right?

No

18:08

Demon normallt doesn’t target mayor

Sigh

Because it’ll bounce to a diff player

wait so lily dying is just plot like mukuros death right

I retract mayor then

18:08

Dani

18:08

Can you give like

18:08

Idk

can i claim

18:08

and u guys trust me

Smth to have an idea of what usually happens

Claiming publicly ain’t smart

In this game

It’s better to whisper

That sucks

or would you not believe me if i claimed

18:08

uhhh

18:08

whisper to who..

If we play according to the meta strategy

Anyone

Your tr ig

Whom ever u trust

okay so

The evil people will know how to play the meta too

18:09

If we play unpredictably

should i whisper to someone who claimed already

No

The evil people won’t know what to do

Well

18:09

Your call

ngekop what are you again

18:09

are we not supposed to have access to nominations

If ur a powerful role like raven keeper undertaker fortune teller or empath u don’t wanna claim public

im very confused

You wanna stay alive

Oops

okay but

18:10

im a role that would be good as dead

18:10

just saying

Top 4 outsiders and virgin and slayer can claim publically sometiems

Oh people can’t even talk in #sp31-nominations-votes

Recluse is good to claim early on

Mb

Most outsiders r good to claim early on to at least someone

Dani<3

Recluse is good to claim early on

i hc recluse

What is recluse again

Starry

i hc recluse

U claim recluse?

18:11

Recluse registers as evil

yes

But are good aligned

@kirigiri did you invite nyouhas?

thats why i was like

18:11

i should claim

So if u target a recluse u waste an ability on them

yeah

but you guys wouldnt believe me

So better to let ur teammates know to not target you

because you guys might think im minion pretending to be recluse

I mentioned the server to him and he looked interested

Although ppl can fake recluse claims

18:11

It’s smart to

@LilyBottom 🌺 does the evil team have daytalk? (Mafia chat open during the day)

carrygary what do you think

Also curious about that

I don’t know that’s why I’m asking

i'm not sure stompysmash

Normally evils have to find a way to talk I. Private cia whisper just like we do

Oh

They clearly dont

18:12

Since

They won’t have a evil char

There are whisper mechs

18:12

Specific

18:12

For evils

Can we see whispers if they happen

18:13

Like in TOS

Like the demon being able to say smth to all evils in a common whisper

You’ll know who whispers whom I

Starry

im a role that would be good as dead

so you had a n1 power I guess

Ok

Wait fr?

Normally in botc yes

So if I whispered Ngekop

18:13

Everyone would know I whispered him

18:13

But not what I whispered

Wtf

I play voice botc mainly and it’s a 1-2 hour play throug

That is

18:13

Weird

can somone like

not sure though that there's that much value in whispering your info

spare a whisper testing this

And u track whisper by seeing who goes into whisper chats

So does this common whisper thing apply to the night too

Normally evil whisper first day

bc scum can poison n1

No

kirigiri

not sure though that there's that much value in whispering your info

tells you in a quiet voice shhhhh

and you don't know if your power is poisoned

So evils communicate normally during the night right

18:14

Or because this is based off an IRL game

18:14

They can’t do that

U normally can’t whisper at night but idk how the play by post version is

Oh ok

Giles Corey

@LilyBottom 🌺 does the evil team have daytalk? (Mafia chat open during the day)

They do not have any shared chat.

I see

LilyBottom 🌺

They do not have any shared chat.

Not even at night?

Nope

That’s rough

They have to talk in whispers

18:15

During the day

But since they can apparently have the demon common whisper everyone

That’s part of the game. U gotta track who whispers who

that would defeat the purpose of minions not being informed of each other

Like if we deem Giles as evil

isnt there one demon whisper only

We check who he whispered

The demon could give a list of code words for the minions

so kiri would only be able to whisper once in the game

Recluse is unccd right?

And ask the minions to say one of the code words to make themselves known

And try to strategize that

Well

Hello I am real what's hanging from the clock tower?

Only 5 people

So u wanna try to whisper ur minions to plot things

Have talked but

But u don’t wanna over whisper

TehBubblez

Hello I am real what's hanging from the clock tower?

lilys body

Dani<3

That’s part of the game. U gotta track who whispers who

wait huh, I missed that, so we can tell who whispered who but not the content of the whisper

Yes

okie dokes then

Otherwise it defeats the point of a whisper

That’s kinda what

Starry

lilys body

Well who put that there?

Whisper does

18:16

Irl

that's more interesting than what I had assumed before

Yk

TehBubblez

Well who put that there?

i think lily did as a plot device..

Starry

i think lily did as a plot device..

Omg

Yeah it’s a plot thing

otherwise scum have a trivial way of informing each other

When ST dies that’s the start of the game

18:17

That’s how u always open botc

I mean it’s pretty easy for them to inform themselves anyways

Dani<3

When ST dies that’s the start of the game

So the demon can whisper all the minions at the same time if I read what you said correctly

i wonder

Didn’t mean to reply to that message just ping you

18:17

Or did I misinterpret

lily will you be revived with a kiss

18:17

or are you dead dead

I’m not sure about that

Because I’m trying to see how the demon would communicate with the minions

Normally in normal botc

Because that’s important for early game

U can whisper however many ppl u want

18:18

However many times u want in day phase

"You should probably find them before that happens, good luck!"

18:18

when can we nominate kiri

Doing some reading, it’s 3 times a day

U could whisper everyoje in the same chat except 1 person

or moon

So the demon can’t whisper all minions

in about 23 hours

Actually wait

Idk if u can whisper more than one person at once in this one

It’s 2 minions

18:18

I thought it was 4

It’s 3 minions

kirigiri

lily will you be revived with a kiss

Im down to revive lily

kirigiri

lily will you be revived with a kiss

Spoilers~~

I believe

Bc she is yk

Because that’s how many are possible

18:18

Oh nvm

Valuable

15 players

Wait let me check

To this town

So 3

isnt it 3 mins

18:18

yeah

Giles is good, but not ravenkeeper

yeah that is true

Plus demon

She outed the existence of a demon

18:18

After all

Nge is good

Ok so they can whisper all of them

Dani is evil (jk)

I will say

18:19

Like I said I’m a top 4

a top for whom?

I hate not being able to have rvs

Top 4 is the first 4 roles on the top. Aka washerwomen librarian investigator or chef

Probably the top 4 roles in the list

ah i get your

They are 4 roles that learn info the very first night and that’s it

18:19

So normally

im an outsiders 4

18:19

or am i..

If there’s a virgin

Starry

im an outsiders 4

You claimed recluse

or at least that's what you believe

There are either 2 or 4 outsiders

18:20

Right?

I think

well my idea was for virgin to claim, then one of the top 4 players nominates them

But in reality that means there’s 1, 2, or 3 people who know they’re outsiders

It’s best to prove the top 4 by using virgin

18:20

It’ll prove 2 ppl

Oh wait also

YES NADI

18:20

DANI

Forgot to mention this

we're thinking smart

And I am a top 4

18:20

So I volunteered

Wdym with top4????

But I've already heard of a monk in a 3f3

wait so

It’s most likely that the Baron did roll

Top 4 is the top 4 roles

are top 4s guaranteed

is this a common strat btw or just something you do, I've never played this before so I hope you give me credit for thinking of it independently

Because 3/4 of the minions roll

Dani<3

Top 4 is the top 4 roles

??

And their other two were in my 3f3

like is there a hypothetical

18:21

no top 4s

It’s the only roles in the game that only get into the very first night

So I bet we have a monk

kirigiri

is this a common strat btw or just something you do, I've never played this before so I hope you give me credit for thinking of it independently

Thinking what?

So if a virgin can prove them. They are good to be killed by virgin

cuz theres 13 roles

Guys im literally here and reading

Because they aren’t useful anymore

and 9 townsfolk

virgin claims, a night 1-info player nominates them

Yet i feel like i am just missing everything

so why are we assuming theres top 4 roels..

kirigiri

virgin claims, a night 1-info player nominates them

Why?

I am a top 4

well

18:22

dead players can speak

Ngekop

Yet i feel like i am just missing everything

Same

OH THEY CAN SPEAK???

Starry

so why are we assuming theres top 4 roels..

There's a very high chance of jt

kirigiri

dead players can speak

why is lily isping..

and still have a vote at least once

18:22

LOL

I knew they can vote

Statistically and meta-wide

Yes dead can speak

Wise*

So if dead people get info

PROOOOOO

So

They can still share it

If there’s a virgin

yes, so we still get their info if we need it, if they get cced they can say so

I nom virgin

If they use their ability on the night of their death

And die

Yeah but why would we do that

Yes

18:22

Also

players don't show their role on death

We gain 2 clears at the cost of a ml

Oh lag

Is that even worth it?

It proves 2 town

I think it genuinely is

okay but

18:23

ravenkeeper overpowered then lol

It’s the normal meta of the game

we can get 2 town, or if not often we've lynched an evil

I mean

Ravenkeeper is very strong, yes

That’s why virgin exist

But one of the conf town

18:23

Will be dead

Can be very hard to play as tho

And the other will be useless

Yes but they can still speak and vote

18:24

And be trusted

well, we don't lose any important powers

Yeah being dead is not a bad thing

And ur not using any important roles

since the nominating player has used their pwer already

@Starry you FR hc hc hc hc recluse?

Unless you’re the saint apparently then we can’t ML that

That’s the only way for virgin to be useful

18:24

And for me. I’m Alr used

18:24

I’m Alr useless

18:24

So it’s better to use virgin to prove me because I’m no longer useful

Ngekop

@Starry you FR hc hc hc hc recluse?

do i?

If uve read the rolelist, I believe their could be an undertaker, which is essentially the only way to reveal someone's role after death (but not confirmed)

That’s why it’s good

So dying is actually a good thing for townsfolk

18:24

To prove their innocence

thats up for you guys to decide ❤️

Because if I’m a one time ability who is Alr used. I’m useless and can die. And virgin is only useful to prove a town

i could be wifoming

This it’s better to do this

staryy, wifom?

18:25

never

And I am a top 4 so I am a good player to be used like this

I think recluse has to hc always in here

kirigiri

staryy, wifom?

yeah i never do that

18:25

HEAR THAT MINIONS

18:25

I NEVER WIFOM

Why the minions specifically?

Also I am investigator. I learned that starry or dec is poisoner. Starry claims recluse. So that may be why he is in my ping and my ping targeted the recluse instead of a minion or starry is lying

Giles Corey

Why the minions specifically?

i think the minions should be scared more than townsfolk

Minions r kinda meant to bait themselves to protect their demon

But minions aren’t the only evil

They rather die than let demon die

Dani<3

Also I am investigator. I learned that starry or dec is poisoner. Starry claims recluse. So that may be why he is in my ping and my ping targeted the recluse instead of a minion or starry is lying

i guess dec has to be poisoner then

So it’s good to watch out for ppl who heavily defend someone

Dani<3

Also I am investigator. I learned that starry or dec is poisoner. Starry claims recluse. So that may be why he is in my ping and my ping targeted the recluse instead of a minion or starry is lying

Which role??

or maybe i was reclused..

Starry

i guess dec has to be poisoner then

Not necessarily

18:27

If starry is recluse

18:27

That is what my ping targeted meaning it’s neither dec or starry

poisoner is in the game though for sure, we know

Im really confused

that's useful

Everyone is speaking

18:27

At a faster pace

18:27

Than my brain can handle to get the info and like

18:27

Fr get it all

hmm

Here let me do a early game claim list in a bit

Basically

18:28

If there’s a recluse in the game

wat so is investigator uesless now..

The mod can use them to act as a minion

18:28

They’ll register as minion

@LilyBottom 🌺 can investigator mechanically receive both a regular town and a recluse in their thingy?

So they may be the “minion” in my ping

investigator won't get any more reports yes

I don’t ping 2 minions

18:29

I learn 1 of 2 ppl is a certain minion

18:29

So it only pings 1 of them

i wanna see dec react

18:29

in case dec is recluse

If starry is recluse

18:29

They are the ping

wheres dec

And dec isn’t

18:29

If starry isn’t recluse

18:29

It’s either of them

I think you could technically ping two minions but it's unlikely

It’s rlly unlikely

???

Yeah

Yes and no

18:29

Like

Basically

Ignore that possiblity

One is fs minion

18:29

The other is

18:29

Whatever

Hello

Yk

18:29

Like

Yes one is a linion

none of the evils know what outsiders are in the game

Minion

18:29

The other isn’t

kirigiri

none of the evils know what outsiders are in the game

Well

So if starry is the ping

so if anyone ccs recluse they can speak up

If there is the one that converts 2 townsfolk

Dec isn’t a minion

To outsiders

18:30

Then

Ngekop

Well

That’s not always true

They do know

And rn

but they don't know who

ALL outsiders

18:30

Are in game

Technically not even necessarily cause poisoner showed up which means we very likely have a poisoner, but Dani could've been chosen for it night one

kirigiri

none of the evils know what outsiders are in the game

That’s not true most of the time statistically

Ill strongly say that dec is not evil

Or Dani could be drunk

If a baron rolls then all the outsiders are in the game

Ngekop

@LilyBottom 🌺 can investigator mechanically receive both a regular town and a recluse in their thingy?

Recluse might look like a minion or a demon. They could potentaly be seen as a target by the investigator

Ic

The Moon's Loving Embrace

Or Dani could be drunk

but how would dani get a report then

Dani<3

Ill strongly say that dec is not evil

Yeah that's likely true

alright, but I mean that really none of the evils know for sure any outsider that is not in the game

im confused

Clearing dec for that is

that was the important point

The stupidest thing ever

Because either starry is the recluse who shown evil as my minion ping. Or starry lied and is minion

So?

It’s not it’s practically impossible for him to be kinion

That is NAI on dec bro

if starry was claiming recluse, he'd be doing it without the knowledge that it's free claimspace ever

LilyBottom 🌺

Recluse might look like a minion or a demon. They could potentaly be seen as a target by the investigator

And slayer could shoot the recluse and they die

No that’s not how it works

18:31

Wtf are you on

And it’s to strong for the mod to put the demon in my minion claim

It is rng’d

18:31

It is not in the might part

Dr,Mikey

And slayer could shoot the recluse and they die

correct

It is not likely for a recluse and a minion to be in a investigation ping

18:32

I’m pretty sure it’s not even a mechanic

did starry claim recluse before you gave your report btw dani

Yes they did

18:32

That’s why I’m willing to let virgin killer

cool

Kill me

18:32

To prove my info

well we should do that regardless

The info is useless af tho

If a virgin kills Dani

My role states

And they’re drunk

18:32

Would we know that they’re drunk

That 1 of 2 ppl is a particular minion

Like i cant think of a more useless info than what you gave

We at least know dec is not poisoner

For an investigator

18:32

Ofc

That’s literally what investigator is

Dani<3

We at least know dec is not poisoner

No we dont know that